tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post2607734599417915689..comments2023-05-16T06:44:54.477-04:00Comments on Turf Beat: Horse Slaughter: Complications and Intricaciesknrileyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10448032796564676739noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-54742860423794435422010-10-22T02:35:19.598-04:002010-10-22T02:35:19.598-04:00I am curious to what end Jeri Dobrowski started th...I am curious to what end Jeri Dobrowski started that website establishing neglect of horses, that will happen DESPITE the availability of slaughter. In case you hadn't noticed, horses are still getting sent to slaughter and the people sending them there care not if it is down the street or a thousand miles away.<br /><br />It begs the question, what do you stand to gain if slaughter is re-instituted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-10025393352047980362010-04-04T00:34:45.322-04:002010-04-04T00:34:45.322-04:00I think it is a great article fairly stating the p...I think it is a great article fairly stating the position of each side and how they contradict and appose each other. I am no journalist but I think it is a great job. <br /><br />I just have one comment to make. You can look at every aspect and detail of this very comlicated issue, write a million pages about it and still be very confused. <br /><br />To make an accurate judgment of a situation like this, really all you have to do to discover the real truth, is discover motive. <br />If you were the judge on this issue. Which side would you believe is motivated by greed, and which side is motivated by compassion?<br /><br />The pro slaughter side stands to loose a lot of money with the end of horse slaughter. They breed hundreds so they can pick out the money makers, and still make residual income on the rest by sending them to slaughter. <br />The anti slaughter side stands to gain or loose nothing for themselves, except for a victory for horses. <br /><br />I rest my case. <br /><br />"Justice is the sword we carry".<br />Simone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-88421662060141662062009-12-03T18:28:59.813-05:002009-12-03T18:28:59.813-05:00Jeri,
Thank you for bringing this to my attention...Jeri,<br /><br />Thank you for bringing this to my attention. After an interview with Sue Wallis I was under the impression that she ran the site, but perhaps I misunderstood her. I will look into this and in the meantime I will change the writing to reflect that.<br /><br />Kelsey.knrileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448032796564676739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-5511016066478021292009-12-01T17:24:29.521-05:002009-12-01T17:24:29.521-05:00Ms. Riley ~
Your article states "Wallis ope...Ms. Riley ~<br /><br />Your article states "Wallis operates AMillionhorses.com." She does not. <br /><br />I am the Web Master, and have been since the site was launched in March 2009. It was started independently of Ms. Wallis' efforts.<br /><br />You are right in saying the site was established to document the neglect and abandonment of America's horses. <br /><br />J DobrowskiUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12354762462776893202noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-1830548652104660222009-11-20T19:57:00.314-05:002009-11-20T19:57:00.314-05:00Hello everyone,
Thank you for your comments. I a...Hello everyone,<br /><br />Thank you for your comments. I appreciate the feedback; writing this article has been a great learning experience for me, and I have very much enjoyed learning about this complicated issue. I would just like to reiterate what I said at the beginning of the post, which is that this story had to be greatly reduced in length for editorial purposes. I would have loved for it to be longer and more informational; I know now that it is a topic more suited to a thesis or academic paper than a mere magazine article. <br /><br />Thank you all again for your feedback.<br /><br />Kelsey.knrileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10448032796564676739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-23255631764622852862009-11-20T11:56:24.880-05:002009-11-20T11:56:24.880-05:00Why should Americans care that horsemeat is eaten ...Why should Americans care that horsemeat is eaten in some foreign countries? Dogs are eaten in some foreign countries. Should we send dogs to slaughter for consumption overseas? <br /><br />Yes, some horses are abandoned or neglected. How does that justify slaughter? People abandon or neglect unwanted children, too. Should they be slaughtered? <br /><br />Can anyone imagine Zenyatta dying in a slaughterhouse? Probably not. But what if she should prove infertile? According to pro-slaughter logic, she's just a piece of property - she's livestock, nothing more. With her racing career over, infertility would render her worthless. <br /><br />If slaughter is, as Ms. Wallis and her ilk argue, perfectly normal and acceptable, then why not slaughter an infertile Zenyatta?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03197776128865243855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-37732698258578109742009-11-19T19:15:36.295-05:002009-11-19T19:15:36.295-05:00I didn't quite read all of the article. I tho...I didn't quite read all of the article. I thought for the most part you hit the nail on the head. You cited a pro-slaughter spokesperson and Alex.<br /><br />For the pro side this is my view. There is nothing humane transporting a horse from Northern CA to Mexico without food and water. There is nothing humane about a driver and owner who would cram 7 horses into a 4 horse trailer and would've crammed another horse in if he could. There is nothing humane about the captive bolt which was designed for cattle and not ensuring the horse was unconscious while his throat was being slit. Bad enough being strung up by a hind leg but to do this to a live conscious animal is barbaric.<br /><br />Also this pro slaughter person would have you believe that the industry checks cattle. Does anyone remember the cattle slaughter house in CA 2008--where the slaughter personnel did whatever they could to get that downed cow up? That video played ever night on local news for THREE WEEKS STRAIGHT here in Northern CA. I kid you not.<br /><br />On the anti side WAKE UP AMERICA. You bought this animal. You may well have bred this animal. You have a responsibility to its care until the day you sell it or put the animal down because of illness--NOT NEGLECT.<br /><br />Let me digress for a moment--the analogy is the same. I had a neighbor many years ago who wanted to breed her bitch (as in female dog). Not because the dog was worth money or had papers. She wanted her son to be able to watch life come into this world. I asked this neighbor is she was prepared in case her doggie had 7/10 pups. She said she had homes lined up for some and that she would take in the rest. In your small condo??? <br /><br />Thus it is with the backyard breeder who hopes for the next Secretariat. Just because you own a stud doesn't mean you shouldn't geld. And so it is with mares. You should know going in that mares are going to be crotchety a fair amount of time every year. It isn't their fault its just hormones.<br /><br />I strongly believe that people abandon their horses because of job lost, home lost. Our economy is in the toilet. That isn't the horses fault. Instead of asking for help these people do the cruelest thing in the world. They betray the horse and send him to the most awful death imaginable.<br /><br />And I cite this example. There is a rescue in Northern CA. This man running this rescue found this horse a couple of years ago now in dire straights. He told the owner all he needed was two weeks and he would have a forever home lined up for this horse. He even gave TWO BALES of hay and we were in the middle of a really bad drought with hay prices zooming beyond the moon. Do you know this man had a kill buyer drive into his driveway, give him two hundred dollars and off the horse went. Rescues from here to Montana at the border searched like mad. They were several days late--the horse had already become dinner for someone else.<br /><br />Lastly this one is for those of you in Europe so desperate to eat horse. Raise your own horses and slaughter them. Disgusted? Repulsive you say. I know in some countries its illegal to raise and slaughter in the same country. That's why you come to us. So you can bet that we are disgusted by your habits.<br /><br />So here we are. Those of you fortunate enough to own a horse have a huge responsibility to them. You can ask for help with vetting or a blanket at Alex's site. We won't help you slaughter but we will help you to HUMANELY EUTHANIZE an animal that the vet has said that his quality of life is that diminished and won't get better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-41471996709537415982009-11-19T16:46:40.724-05:002009-11-19T16:46:40.724-05:00Hey, G. Rarick!
Glad you got the concerns I was p...Hey, G. Rarick!<br /><br />Glad you got the concerns I was preparing, in addition (and I didn't want to appear to be Ms. Riley's professor) the journalism seemed a bit soft as to citations, a bit verbose and for one, Wallis is just not amilllionhorses.crap. She is heading up a concentrated campaign to allow HCHS with the help of meat livestock, Farm Bureau, AQHA, etc. These people don't even want traditional meat livestock universally identifiable.<br /><br />You got it G. Rarick...too much emotion, lack of facts and poor follow-up.<br /><br />That being said, I relish every and any platform. My motto..."you don't want that horse? Find a good home or chem/gunshot the horse. 'course you'll have to pay. But your horse paid for you all along."<br /><br />D. Masterscoeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-75452130547131313372009-11-19T16:27:53.192-05:002009-11-19T16:27:53.192-05:00for "rather rapid":
I have a severe log...for "rather rapid":<br /><br />I have a severe logic problem with your "internet opportunist" regarding Alex Brown.<br /><br />To start with, I don't think he's a god (Alex Brown) and I have gone round and round with him on many issues. But I truly think he cares about the horses, living, their demise and a humane death. Secondly, that you have problem with AB and the internet and this university jounarlism piece Ms. Riley has provided for our pervue, begs the following: get specific and cite data resources....not what appears to be your Proslaughter sentiment.<br /><br />Then you bring up humane disposal and throw in the proslaughter cunard that is PAID FOR disposal. You are not seriously questioning debate; 3 foreign owned, US geographically located plants closed? Get real! They've been going live overseas, off-shore canner ships and to Mexico/Canada before, during and after the closure of the last three hell houses.<br /><br />I'll sum up my soon to be later response:<br /><br />(1) Paid for to Owner Slaughter of Equines still exists.<br /><br />(2) There are no medication guidelines for US equines for human consumption;<br /><br />(3) Use of the CBG for equines is called out in the AVMA "Guidelines for Humane Euthanasia" (2007/2008), but at no time does the AVMA/AAEP specify, IN WRITING that it is acceptable for equines in a mass slaughter/production line scenario.<br /><br />(4) Neglect and abuse do not have a direct correlation, scientifically (please cite study/research if you know something I don't) to the lack of the ability of paid for slaughter (which still exists)....so what is your point?<br /><br />Do some homework.coeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-80740861376891548042009-11-19T16:04:01.547-05:002009-11-19T16:04:01.547-05:00It's a good effort, but it's too much Alex...It's a good effort, but it's too much Alex Brown and not enough numbers. What is the annual North American foal crop (all races)? How many are slaughtered in Mexico and Canada every year? How about a look at the consumer side - horse meat demand in Europe is falling precipitously. Has this had any impact on the demand chain? How much can a horse owner expect to get from a kill buyer vs. how much would it cost, on average, to euthanize and dispose of the unwanted horse? The problem with so many articles on horse slaughter, this one included, is that they rely on emotion and not facts. It's clear from your lead which side you, the writer, are on.(Sorry - the editor in my just won't die...)G. Rarickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07796528877225352947noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-77792809382934391882009-11-19T14:57:55.725-05:002009-11-19T14:57:55.725-05:00as long as the author keeps quoting internet oppor...as long as the author keeps quoting internet opportunist Alex Brown, doubtful she'll get to the real issues, notable by omission from this post. <br /><br />horse welfare should be discussed neither in terms of property rights nor anti-slaughter. The real issue is horse welfare, what is best for the most horses, and when horses have to be put down for whatever reason, how to do so humanely. There are sub questions of what is and what is not animal neglect, cruelty, and abuse, and how closing slaughter plants affects horses in this manner, both overtly and also in a subtle, less open to understanding, manner by keeping unfortunate animals in the hands of neglecting owners because such owners have nowhere to go.rather rapidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07517841195715154873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8330365552370738451.post-3014157920673900622009-11-19T11:44:15.732-05:002009-11-19T11:44:15.732-05:00Ms. Riley:
First thank you for this post. I came...Ms. Riley:<br /><br />First thank you for this post. I came here because Ray Paulick features you on his "best of the Blogs" corner today.<br /><br />Having said that, there are a few problems with your article that are rather important. I'll reread so I can intelligently highlight these prior to posting again.<br /><br />In the meantime, thank you for your efforts and I look forward to furthering the critical points of this debate for you and your readers....I wouldn't be surprised if someone beats me to it.<br /><br />D. Masterscoeurdeferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06371494048326912875noreply@blogger.com